idk it’s my first time (kind of) trying to do dataviz, I thought the original post was super interesting but like other comments said, it was hard to read.
I think in a way it’s mostly because defederation is complex to show as links, since it is the break of said link, but hopefully this type of graph is better ?
you do lose the “group” of instances view, though (and also I did not bother with per instance MAU as raw number + percentage, or sofware used)
let me know what you think!
Blahaj federated lemmynsfw? Interesting
So why does everyone hate lemmygrad and hexbear? I’m out of the loop on that.
Tankies act a heck of a lot like Alt-Right MAGA, both outright calling for genocide so long as it is done against their enemies rather than allies. In short, tankies claim to be leftist, but aren’t.
That said, Hexbear isn’t even that much really, so much as pure trolling for its own sake. Both are examples of what happens when echo chambers are allowed to exist for a long time - the people inside become radicalized and immune to factual information from the outside that may run counter to their allowed list of interpretations of matters.
tankies.
Hexbear originated from ChapoTrapHouse fandom which is a part of the so-called dirtbag left that explicitly antagonizes (neo)liberals. They also don’t use downvotes and encourage users to voice their opinions instead.
So every wave of redditor freaks the hell out when they get a handful of hexbear users clowning on some take like it’s a coordinated brigade attack.
I have mixed feelings about that. Thanks for explaining!
I should probably add there’s also been a community on my instance dedicated to portraying Hexbear, Lemmygrad, and .ml in the worst possible way, usually by taking a single comment or DM out of context. The user running it finally fucked off from the Fediverse just a month or two back.
Since that community is now being run by overt Zionists who are into spreading outright doctored screenshots, hopefully it’ll fall into long overdue irrelevance. If you ever see the term ‘tankie triad’ that’s probably one of them.
tankie bullshit
they are too extreme for the normal extremists.
lemmygrad because they are perceived as tankies / commies, and thus get all the kneerjerk reaction from the people who are unwilling to apply the same standards to the US, the EU or Israel.
Hexbear, honestly no idea.
I notice that it presents sites with the same editorial body as separate cases, such as piefed.ca and lemmy.ca. Perhaps it would make sense and potentially improve readability to collapse any cases that have the same in and out arcs as each other. (So, all the cases that have no blocks and only block lemmygrad as one collapsed entry, for example.)
I know lots of folks look at this and see a shattering of the what they expect. The Fediverse is NOT a platform. Lemmy.world is NOT the Threadiverse. Let’s break these bonds. I left a server because I was suspected of being a CIA plant. I went to one that was more welcoming. I found they were too strict for me on their rules. I left that. I’m not on piefed.social. I’m planning on running my own piefed for ME and MY family/friends hopefully SOON^TM. If someone defederates from me, that’s ok, they didn’t want me to be a part of their community. MY community still exists.
These aren’t platforms that are out there trying to save the entire world. They’re building a community that interconnects to other communities. Don’t like how they’re doing it, you can literally spin up your own for dollars per month.
Yes, if you want your stuff to be found you have to advocate for it.
I think the Trek communities are stand outs of how this works and how it should be done. Think of like old Forum days. Normally folks would create a forum for a specific topic and other thigns would go other places. But now those forums connect and you can run your own and connect to everyone.
Break this idea that this major pillars disconnecting are fracturing the fediverse. IMO the more small instances we have the stronger the network.
So build a Piefed/Lemmy/Mastodon/GoToSocial/Bonfire whatever for your community and then allow those to connect out to others.
The idea of this change is scary though. And maybe I’m wrong. Maybe we can’t exist the way I hope we do. But I think humans strive for community and communication and we have a new way to provide it to them.
Well said, agent Johnson.
God bless the U.S. of A
Don’t like how they’re doing it, you can literally spin up your own for dollars per month.
Not so easy.
Mostly a liability issue.
First there’s security - make sure the server doesn’t get compromised.
Then you need to figure out how to deal with illegal content like CSAM (was already a widespread issue on Lemmy at least once, causing multiple instances to shutdown) - even on private instance due to content caching.
And legal issues such as minimum age and privacy regulations that you’d have to comply with.3rd one is not an issue if you only use it yourself, and perhaps with a couple of friends that won’t try to sue you when they get mad.
There are 500 Lemmy instances and 80 PieFed instances which are too small to show on the graph :)
Agreed. Its federated. Let instances do thier thing. It gives us more options not less.
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Cool diagram.
If you removed hexbear and lemmygrad (nearly everyone defederates them so they just clutter the place up) then the other information would be clearer. For example I didn’t notice that beehaw has defederated both lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works until my third viewing.
This graph is indeed a lot more intuitively readable. I think it could be improved further by avoiding needlessly crossing the arrows, like for example pawb.social -> lemmygrad.ml is crossing multiple other arrows, even though they are right next to another. Some arrows could also be shorter to avoid crossings, like beehaw.org -> sh.itjust.works
Ah, thankyou! As a lazy person not sure who my instance was blocking, I now know. Excellent. Better find an instance who doesn’t block any instances.
I’m on sh.ijust.works because it has a bad word in it. I don’t know what you’re all complaining about
Amen, sib. If there’s one with cunt in its name we’ll go there!
The similar color makes it slightly difficult to read but the graph is better, and easier to understand. Anyways, you are skilled, good job :3
Yeah the 3 yellows really are hard to differentiate.
I have to say, now it’s even more amusing to hear people claim ‘.world is a bunch of narrow minded [whatevers] who block all opinions they don’t like’ (2 instances 😱)
Specifically the 2 instances that everybody blocks, and it’s mostly fans of those two instances that complain about it.
Now I am curious what is going on in fedinsfw.
Legal risk. Being federated means mirroring the content locally and that can cause liability for the instance owner. Laws around porn can vary by country and to some being federated could be illegal, or be an unreasonable risk.
Reposting porn from other sites i assune
porn that makes most folks uncomfortable
I like this representation a lot.
I find this much harder to read than the previously posted diagram, and it contains less information.
Yes, despite the problems with the other one, I found it easier to read. This one has too many crossing connections, and loses the groups.
In addition to comments others have made about some of the colors being difficult to see/differentiate, I think it would be worthwhile to distinguish one-way defederation from mutual defederation, perhaps with a texture?
It would make the graphic busier, but I also would enjoy seeing population percentages next to each instance name (to give weight to the significance of certain defederations, e.g. how much of the fediverse are you excluding by defederating with hexbear vs lemmy.world).
I find it mildly interesting that there’s no inverse of lemmygrad, that defederates from everybody else
Defederation is often seen as a last resort and generally seen pretty negatively. Defederating everyone would also get rid of most content
Yeah but this graph would have so much more data >:)
