Just blocked lemmy.ml from my Lemmy account, and I swear to god it’s one of the best things I’ve ever done on this platform. My homepage feels actually clean now.
For the past few months I’d been seeing a lot of tankie posting and pretty much far-left propaganda on my feed. It got tiring enough that I finally checked my blocked-user list, and realized pretty much everyone I’d blocked was from lemmy.ml. So I just blocked the whole instance instead.
Saying this as someone who considers themselves a leftist: I used to think Lemmy itself was an echo chamber. Turns out lemmy.ml was the problem the entire time. Probably the reason I tolerated it for so long is that I agreed with a lot of what they posted, but like an oversaturated meme, I’d had enough. Browsing the platform was starting to feel way too tiring instead of fun, which defeats the point of being here in the first place.
The breaking point was seeing some dude post a “meme” implying North Korea and China are basically communist utopias and that the West sucks. I mean, the West does suck, but come on - you’re saying North Korea is the ideal the West should strive for? What the hell…
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Whining about .ml takes up more of my feed than .ml
If only .ml would label itself as explicitly political so that people knew what it was about rather than having to discover it the hard way…
Especially when browsing by All, and all the more so when the default setting of the most popular 3rd party apps actively hides the instance names, on both users and communities, it’s really impossible to know unless you go tinkering with those settings to their non-default values.
It is very easy to forget what the experience looks like for a brand-new user of the Fediverse.
Ohhh, that is a top tier idea. Community note fediverse pi charts for content topic. Like steam tags.
PieFed allows for this already, though iirc the flagship instance PieFed.social chooses to put nothing for Lemmy.ml.
I always enjoy content on Beehaw. This is the note that appears on every single post in a community on that instance:
This post is hosted on beehaw.org which has higher standards of behaviour than most places. Be nice.
Notice how the link goes to Beehaw itself for additional details, to explain their policies in their own words.
I always found Lemmy.ml’s own choice of words to describe themselves quite disingenuous though - as if it were merely FOSS or something being discussed, and as if nothing whatsoever related to politics exists, certainly nothing that might, oh I dunno, differ from their very narrow, highly specific viewpoint (which distinctly clashes with actual facts, e.g. video evidence of the Tiananmen Square Massacre, which tankies declare variously that it did not happen, or if it did happen then that there were no fatalities).
Hexbear at least is extremely open about how they exist for nothing more than the sake of arguments - that’s arguably fine even, so long as it remains constrained inside the communities designated for such - where the members actually want it, i.e. consent should matter - rather than spilling out into every single other fucking community all across the Fediverse.
i’ve been fedi-curious for a while now and dragged my feet on the threadiverse for the longest time because my first impression of it was all the tankie stuff, i just assumed the whole thing was tankies and shuned the threadiverse entirely. after learning about piefed, and seeing discussions around lemmy in general, i realized it was more complicated and decided to give it a second chance via piefed. i’ve been relatively active for a few months now!
Welcome!
I did the same thing and I fully agree
I also ban any .ml user on sight
It’s been great for my mental health too
thank you for your virtue signaling!
Having mindless tankies parrot ccp and russian propaganda is getting tiring.
No! It isn’t propaganda! You’re the one who is parroting propaganda!
Saying russia and china are dictatorships and stuff, i saw a post on VK that said exactly the contrary! And it must be true!
Xi Jinping said he cares about free speech, he can’t lie, only western politicians lie!
It’s not authoritarianism if I do it!
What a fucking chud loser you are
I believe it went over your head. This was a satire comment. It is made by OP. OP doesn’t believe in those words. Sarcasm can be used without writing “/s”.
No, it isn’t satire, i belive just about everything i read on vk.
their doomer, pseudo intellectual main course with a dessert of populist fantasy crap is depressing
at least their radicalization stuff was kinda spicy but it’s an addictive combo to melt your brain into the cult
Lmao “far left propaganda” what’s that? Everyone should be fed and housed, equal rights?
I can list you a few talkpoints that repeat
- China and russia are good places to live in and are better to be than the west because they’re “comunist”
- Russian isn’t the agressor in the russo-ukranian war and ukrainians are nazis
- Capitalism bad and comunism good posts dropped in comunitires dedicated to comedy but with no punchlines at all
- Just about everything i don’t agree with is US imperialism
- Nato bad
It’s quite distinct from actual leftist talkpoints, like equal housing, equal rights, and universal public servives from everyone - they don’t seem to care about any of that
None of that is far left you numpty.
The only thing remotely leftist in what you said is capitalism bad. Which we have ample evidence for how and why unregulated/deregulated capitalism is bad for anyone that doesnt own a personal yacht
You’re right about the capitalism bad part, but comunism good isn’t generally a leftist talking point.
Well, if these aren’t far left, they sure aren’t leftist because i haven’t ever seen anybody in the left repeat these points.
Somebody else in this thread suggested this idea as well, that perhaps their points shoudn’t be though of as leftist or far-leftist, but as something else…
comunism good isn’t generally a leftist talking point
The biggest leftwing party in the world is the Communist Party of China. I have a feeling they would say that communism is good.
because they aren’t political leftists. they are authoritarians who pretend to be leftists so they can claim they are populists.
If they’re defending Russia (a fascist state), then the term you’re looking for is fascist propaganda, not “leftist” propaganda.
Obviously, except that they CLAIM that they are leftists. So then they are “leftists” rather than leftists.
OP made clear the distinction by stating:
come on - you’re saying North Korea is the ideal the West should strive for?
North Korea obviously famously representing a
brutal totalitarian regime that murders its own people“leftist utopia”.
My comment questioning if celebrating the deaths of US soldiers was such a good look for them got removed by mods on lemmy.ml/c/worldnews
Apparently this was an irredemable position that goes against everything the average .ml mod believes in (shitposting on niche, far-left sites).
Amen brother.
There are a few instances where like 90% of the problematic content and users come from. Blocking them makes the fediverse FAR more enjoyable and pleasant. And reduces the harassment and violent content by 90%
Sane leftists need to shut out the insane ones. Those folks dont’ care about politics in any actionable way. All they care about is feeling superior to everyone else based on their theoretical beliefs and their weird cult of worship they have created with facts don’t matter and alternative history is the truth.
I’m currently debating with myself whether to block sh.itjust.works next, because it seems to be becoming another hotbed of bad actors who are here to be purely negative and hostile to other users and push extremist content, and if you counter point them they just harass the shit out of you and follow you around across various communities.
in fact a lot of folks i blocked on other instances are now posting from that instance under the same username. seems like some folks just keep swapping instances once enough folks have blocked them on another instance for their harassment and horrible posts.
Hey, do what you want. I don’t blame anyone blocking an instance any more than blocking US news. You’ll miss out on seeing witchy memes tho.
i’m fundamentally at odds with new age religious movements, like wiccanism. especially because the cast themselves as original and profound, when they are most often a repackaging of the selfishness is self-fulfillment ethos and engage in magical thinking as a solution to pragmatic problems… rather than just solving the problem by taking direct action.
witchdom stuff has the same energy to me as Goop, in that it’s legit late stage capitalism kitsch. but i understand its appeal as an escape mechanism.
I guess it depends on what flavor of witchdom. I definitely understand where you are coming from, and agree almost all is centered around helping the individual feel/be less confined by the pragmatic and concrete. At the same time, I find being unbound and abstract places me in the right headspace to consider philosophical and psychological ideas with greater satisfaction and complexity. Hermetic Alchemy in particular likes to blend the physical with the spiritual.
I’m curious. Do you have the same at odds relationship with common religions, and is it more of less contentious than with these newer movements?
not really, but i don’t think of religions in broad sweeping terms. fwiw most of my social relationships are with liberal catholics, reformist jews, Episcopalians, and liberal shia muslims. and a lot of old school hippies who just wanted to chill out and do mushrooms.
Don’t be surprised if you find hexbear giving you similar twitches.
Their instance was already defederated from hexbear, so they never saw posts from there.
No no no. Twitch is owned by amazon. It’s not part of the fediverse.
Hexbear users are the funniest people on the platform
Some of the stuff I’ve seen come out of there is on the level of what /pol/ would cook up. Absolutely the most troll instance of the fediverse.
Except they’re not Nazis. Hexbear’ians at least know how to be funny tankies
I wouldn’t need a “clean” front page because I don’t feel threatened by people having different opinions than me. I wish you good luck with your clean front page and clean mind. Hopefully you can find some peace now.
really, sounds like you shouldn’t be running an ad blocker or any of that stuff then. because you don’t need a clean internet, it’s good to view the web saturated with ads trying to sell you shit you don’t want or need.
Also, you should only read books that you aren’t interested in or that you hate. Because what is the point of reading if you aren’t making yourself miserable while doing so?
Hmm interesting that you found yourself stumbling through so many logical fallacies in order to craft an argument. Are the tankies trying to sell you something?
Yes, you should probably read books that are outside of your confort zone.
If you hate people from .ml or they make you feel uncomfortable or upset, yea go ahead block them. You’re both the one with the problem and the one who has the tools to solve the problem. So go ahead and make things really clean for yourself. I don’t want you to catch any cooties.
I hate bullies, yeah. Your entire post here is typical .ml user trope.
Call something a logical fallacy, posture yourself as superior, then insult the user and try to goad them into a name-calling, so you can play the victim.
It’s proverbial crybully behaviour. please also include a DM about how you are going to beat me up, while you’re at it. because threatening people is very logical and aware and I should be glad to be beaten by you.
Because you know, we just need to re-educate the population in physical labor camps, and THEN they will finally understnad the glory of marxism leninism and the freedom it will bring to everyone!
please also include a DM about how you are going to beat me up, while you’re at it
I certainly hope this isn’t happening. I’m fine with spirited disagreements and different viewpoints, but personal attacks and definitely threats of violence won’t be tolerated here.
It was a logical fallacy lol. If you think I was posturing as superior, that’s a feeling that came from within your heart.
You can’t just spit out nonsense and act like you made a good point. If you feel that our interaction is similar to how you interact with users from .ml, it’s likely that you are just someone who gets deep into conflict with other users very easily and is constantly making bad faith arguments in an attempt to “win” the internet.
No is fucking cyberbullying you lmao. I am not an .ml user and don’t have an agenda. No one had threatened anyone. This is actually hilarious. You can’t accuse people of pointing out that you argue with logical fallacies, and then go on this entire straw-man rant about how you’re being threatened and bullied. That literally didn’t happen. Nothing like that happened.
Even more hilarious that you are saying that I am trying to make myself a victim, and then accusing me of threatening you and cyberbullying you. You can’t make this stuff up. lol.
You don’t hate bullies, you hate it when people you are trying to bully with bad faith arguments argue back.
Looking at your profile, you are currently engaged in like 6 different bad faith arguments with other users. You literally cannot interact with people in any way other than getting into negative interactions with them. You must feel absolutely exhausted. You think you’re fighting some sort of holy war against the communists? Go ride a fucking bike or go for a walk or something. Geez. lol. Social media seems to have scrambled your mind, consumed by negativity. You are bullying yourself.
ok buddy, where is my bad faith and logical fallacies? you seek repeating these words but you don’t reference what you mean in an specific way.
your ‘argument’ so far is ‘everything you said is illogical and bad faith’. which is basically ‘i don’t like what you say’
No, i don’t think any of that. You’re the one making up this elaborate fictional narrative about a random internet stranger. Which is exactly what a crybully does on the internet. they over dramatize everything.
I just scrolled a few pages on that instance and it seems like youre being dramatic.
Meanwhile, the second most popular post right now
Crazy Idea
I would not trust the self-reported “suicide” rates of a communist nation. They notoriously skew data and facts “for the common good”, so I would expect that people would be recorded as having died of so-called “other causes” much more often. Like a 80-year-old who shot themselves in the head with a gun might be reported as having died “of old age”, which is likely at least partially true - their age being one of many factors in their decision to end their life prematurely, tying in as it would to their quality of life and hope for their remaining future, etc.
So any comparison of self-reported stats like this image is fraught with issues like that, apples to oranges as they say. I cannot for sure say the intention of either the poster or the creator, but at the very least this looks like misinformation, and I will add that there is a well-known pattern of disinformation that this graphic exactly matches, so a claim that it is part of a psyop cannot immediately be debunked.
This is why I no longer tell people irl that I visit the Threadiverse: every single one or them has checked out Lemmy.ml (which notably shows a LOCAL rather than GLOBAL feed to users without an account), and actively chided me about it. I cannot blame them actually.
I just switch to my subscribed instances when I get tired of All.
When I joined Lemmy, Lemmy.ml didn’t really feel different than Lemmy.world to me.
Maybe I’m taking crazy pills but it’s like they got more propagandist on purpose. As if they decided to up the anthem because .grad got defederated by all sane instances… And what’s propaganda good for if it doesn’t reach the right people?
Same with tankies having lemmy.world accounts. It’s not ironic, it makes sense.
Now Lemmy.ml became their “outreach” instance, where they ban everyone who criticizes them (even on another instance) or even for downvoting (Dessalines did that because his favorite poster ‘cowbee’ got downvoted by “bots” too much. Then they opted out on lemvotes, so no more checking yourself).
For an outsider it looks like everyone agrees with them because they upvote each other and every critic got either banned or they blocked them themselves and I’m starting to think this might be by design. I wonder how many users are banned from .ml, while still retaining general visibility through federation.
Isn’t it basically how Russia and China operate? Keep your own people isolated in a bubble where only your narrative is accepted and at the same time invade other spaces to manipulate their opinions?
I mean why would a leftist like ANYTHING about current day Russia? China? OK, there are apologisms that can fit into a leftist umbrella. But RUSSIA? It’s a fucking kleptocracy. Anyone “leftist” saying otherwise is a crock of shit. They haven’t been red in decades.
In their view, the world is black and white. They hate to be inbetween, they need to “choose a side”. They can’t say US and China suck both, or fuck Israel but also fuck Hamas, they need to be “pro” something. Because most of them grew up in it, they are mostly opposed to western countries - but they can’t leave it like that, they need to be anti imperialist. And that means siding with Russia, Iran, North Korea, China etc., the enemies of the west. It is absurd, but that’s how easy it is. Some months ago we all watched how Iran killed thousands of its citizen on the streets - now that the US attacked Iran, they sympathize with the Islamist mullahs! Because… fuck Israel or something? It’s a really narrow world view and it makes of course no sense, I mean who is imperialist if not Russia lol?
I mean why would a leftist like ANYTHING about current day Russia?
Because they unironically believe that Russia = the Union of Socialist Soviet Republics. That Putin literally is the Premier of the USSR and the General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Maybe even that what Putin is trying to do in the Ukraine is reconquer his own territory from CIA-driven Western insurgents.
Basically, just because Putin is a Russian, he automatically is a ☭★✊ СФММꙠИЇꙄТ СФМЯДDЭ ✊★☭, therefore he must be anti-Capitalist, therefore he has to be a good guy.
These people completely distrust any and all Western media because it’s capitalist, imperialist propaganda, but they take everything from Russia Today and Sputnik News at face value because the good guys wouldn’t ever lie, right?
They say they’re against wars. But if Putin started a full-on invasion in Germany (while the country is in a state in which it’ll be defenceless within three days), I can guarantee you that they’ll cheer for the Red Army finally coming and purging capitalism and imperialism.
Seriously, we have a political party in Germany whose very principles appear to be based on this belief, and that tried to get a new Chancellor of their own into office.
What the actual fuck!
they are that stupid. a lot of folks are.
it’s just another form of MAGA brain rotted style thinking. it’s rife and all over the place.
they need a glorious leader to worship.
I have never seen somebody believe in Putin like that.
To believe that they believe that should be a hint to first investigate if that is true and if it is not, to reevaluate one’s own sources of information.
Cool, I have, in real life. also it was like 15 years ago.
Folks love to worship strong men leaders.
.ml opted out of lemvotes because they like to brigade posts and comments.
Indeed. Funny how the only two instances I have run into that block Lemvotes are the ones that commonly have goon squads brigading threads and abusive admins.
Which is the other instance?
dbzer0
I have my problems with dbzer0’s admins and moderation but there’s something else going on there because I can see their votes.
I always get the 404 error if the post itself was from those instances (even if I check comments made in those posts’ threads). If the main post is from anywhere else, I can still see their users’ votes on the post or any comments also not from .ml or db0 users.
I don’t think I ever see .ml user votes.
I was going to ask for a source on this. But on checking in on a comment or two in this thread. This explains a lot of the consistently inconsistent behavior I’ve been seeing the few times I do check lemvotes. Like I was wondering who the hell was down voting Jo, as they are always pretty chill and even keeled. Look at any other comments on the thread no problem. I look up anyone from Lemmy.ml and it’s 404.
That’s certainly not the behavior of an instance with nothing to hide. Though I would still think administrators should be able to see the votes and identity brigading. But this does explain a few things I’ve noticed on isolated instances when I’ve used it.
Isn’t it basically how Russia and China operate? Keep your own people isolated in a bubble where only your narrative is accepted
It’s the authoritarian playbook.
Also how MAGA keeps ~30 million US voters hypnotized. Just like Russian ZOV
Feddit.org is literally the zionist version of the tsnkis
Feddit.org is a German server that sticks to German laws.
Germany has a special historical guilt towards Jews. You know, what with having murdered half of all Jews on the planet within less than a decade and intended to cull the other half as well.
Anti-Judaism is a capital Federal crime in Germany, just like using Nazi symbolism. And it is for very good reasons.
In America, it doesn’t make much of a difference whether you burn down a synagogue with a service going on inside or a barn with a hoedown going on inside. You’ll get sentenced for arson and either manslaughter or murder either way.
In Germany, if you burn down the synagogue, you’ll get a whole shit-ton of a sentence piled on top of that if your intentions were clearly anti-Semitic/anti-Judaist.
Google “Night of Broken Glass”. Can you even imagine the U.S. National Guard raiding and burning synagogues, Jewish-owned shops, Jewish retirement homes and the like, murdering at least 1,000 Jews, all in one single night in 1938, ordered by (a precursor of) the NSA and at the behest of President Franklin D. Roosevelt himself?
Feddit.org is a German server that sticks to German laws.
German laws do not prohibit you for removing comments on social media of people support a supermasist genocidal ideology
Germany has a special historical guilt towards Jews. You know, what with having murdered half of all Jews on the planet within less than a decade and intended to cull the other half as well.
German law did not force you to reply to my comment with more Israel represent jews bullshit. Israel discriminate ethopian jews, before the creation of the terrorist state it killed many jews with their terrorists attacks. For example during the bombing of king david hotel 17 jews wad murdered. Germany murdered 6 millions jews so i though germany would learn it lesson and not support another genocide , here it is supporting it in Gaza. Nazis also killed ton of communists and poles should germany tolerate if those groups do terrible things too. Should the countries involved in the transatlantic slave trade tolerate if a black country decide to attack a country who was involves in that black holocust?
In Germany, if you burn down the synagogue, you’ll get a whole shit-ton of a sentence piled on top of that if your intentions were clearly anti-Semitic/anti-Judaist.
I don’t remember germany condemning israel attack on the synaguoge in Iran. It is pretty clear germany is defending israel the settler colonial state not jews in general
Thanks for recommending lemmy.ml 🚩
ML is not far-left, it pretends to be in order to spread pro-Putin, pro-Russian, and pro-Republican state propaganda because they know it’s destroying America. ML and Russia are about as socialist as the Nazis claimed to be.
While I agree they aren’t far left. They are sincerely more socialist than the Nazis were. The problem is, they are often as authoritarian as and group think vulnerable as maga, nazis, etc. Economics is fine. But it should never supersede or dictate social policy.
And all these heavily centralized States weather corporate or otherwise always fall to the same flaws. Power calcifying and protecting itself. Not the people or Society.
Sortition based governance when?
